I asked Al Meta; Why did you text me ?I didn't text you, we were already chatting about ISS UFO footage and other topics.
I'm happy to keep talking with you, though! Want to get back to that or explore something new?
How about the illegal commercialization and privatization of Black Beach, Torrey Pines Gliderport.Meta AIBlack's Beach in San Diego has a complex history surrounding its ownership and access. The beach is part of Torrey Pines State Beach, with the northern portion managed by the California Department of Parks and Recreation and the southern portion jointly owned by the City of San Diego and the state park, managed by the City of San Diego.
The controversy surrounding Black's Beach includes concerns about privatization and restricted access. The area was originally part of a large parcel owned by the Black family, who developed it into La Jolla Farms, an affluent residential area. Some locals have expressed concerns about the potential for commercialization and privatization of the beach, which could limit public access.
There have been efforts to preserve public access to the beach, with some groups advocating for its protection as a public resource. The Torrey Pines Gliderport, located above the beach, is a popular spot for paragliding and offers stunning views of the coastline ¹ ² ³.
Would you like more information on the history of Black's Beach or efforts to preserve public access?
How do I stop the illegal commercialization of Torrey Pines GliderportMeta AI
To address concerns about the Torrey Pines Gliderport, you can:Contact the City of San Diego's Parks and Recreation Department to express your concerns about commercialization.Reach out to local organizations, such as the San Diego Glider Club, to stay informed about gliderport issues.
Attend city council meetings or public hearings related to the gliderport to voice your opinions.
Consider supporting or joining local advocacy groups working to preserve public access to coastal areas.
Some relevant contacts:
City of San Diego Parks and Recreation Department:(619) 525-8200
San Diego Glider Club: (858) 453-6777
Would you like more information on getting involved or local advocacy groups?
To address concerns about the Torrey Pines Gliderport, you can:
Contact the City of San Diego's Parks and Recreation Department to express your concerns about commercialization.Reach out to local organizations, such as the San Diego Glider Club, to stay informed about gliderport issues.
Attend city council meetings or public hearings related to the gliderport to voice your opinions.
Consider supporting or joining local advocacy groups working to preserve public access to coastal areas.
Some relevant contacts:
City of San Diego Parks and Recreation Department: (619) 525-8200
San Diego Glider Club: (858) 453-6777
Would you like more information on getting involved or local advocacy groups?
Write to Meta AI YESYESIt seems like you're confirming something about Torrey Pines Gliderport. Yes, it's a popular spot for paragliding and hang gliding, with stunning views of the Pacific Ocean. The gliderport has a rich history, dating back to the 1920s, and is considered one of the best places to fly in the world.
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GROK says about the same subject. Understanding the IssueThe Torrey Pines Gliderport, a historic public park in La Jolla, San Diego, owned by the City of San Diego, has been leased to Air California Adventure (ACA), a private for-profit operator, since 1998. The original lease was for 10 years (expiring in 2008) but has continued without formal renewal or city revenue sharing, allowing ACA to charge access fees (e.g., $10 daily or $200 annually), require liability waivers, insurance, and skill ratings for pilots—practices critics argue illegally commercialize and restrict free public access to recreational flying under California law.
This has sparked ongoing advocacy, including a 2020 petition updated in August 2025, public testimony to the City Council (e.g., June and November 2025), and recent support from local groups like the La Jolla Shores Association (LJSA) for city evaluation and oversight.
As of November 2025, the lease remains active, but pressure is building for changes like fee elimination and board reactivation.
Steps to Help Stop the Commercialization
You can take actionable steps to support advocates like Ernie Casco and Bob Kuczewski in pushing for free public access. Focus on organized, legal advocacy to build momentum.
Sign and Share the Petition Join the "Black's Beach Recreational Scandal" petition demanding an end to fees, reactivation of the Torrey Pines City Park Advisory Board, and implementation of a free recreational waiver.
It has over 700 signatures. I am on Change.org, MoveOn.org, with a clipboard still growing in numbers. Please only sign one petition, TY.
Link: change.org petition: https://www.change.org/p/to-city-counci ... al-scandalLink: MoveOn.org: https://sign.moveon.org/petitions/black ... al-scandalShare on social media, local forums (e.g., Reddit's r/sandiego), or with flying communities like USHPA members.
Contact Key Advocates and Officials
Reach out to Ernie Casco, the petition lead and a senior pilot:
erniecasco@gmail.com or (858) 568-1384. He can provide the "San Diego Recreational Waiver" draft and guide involvement.
Email San Diego City Council members (focus on District 1 rep, as it covers La Jolla) via sandiego.gov/citycouncil. Reference Ernie's recent testimonies (June 12 and Nov 4, 2025) demanding immediate board convening and fee abolition.
Contact the La Jolla Town Council (lajollatowncouncil.org) or LJSA (
ljsa.org@gmail.com) to support their October 2025 letter for evaluation and oversight.
Attend and Speak at Public MeetingsLa Jolla Town Council: 2nd Thursday monthly, 6-7:30 PM at La Jolla Recreation Center (615 Prospect St.) or Zoom (ID: 847 1578 5380). Next: Dec 11, 2025. Submit public comments on gliderport access.
LJSA Meetings: Monthly, e.g., hybrid Zoom (us02web.zoom.us). They voted 7-0 in October 2025 to back changes—attend to amplify.
City Council Non-Agenda Comment: Tuesdays, 2 PM at City Hall or Zoom. Follow Ernie's model: 2-minute slots for testimony (videos archived on YouTube). Prepare: Emphasize public rights under California Recreational Use Statute (protects free access) and the expired lease's illegality.
Build Public Awareness and CoalitionsWrite letters to the editor for San Diego Union-Tribune (via their site) or post on local sites like sandiegoreader.com, highlighting ACA's practices as a "poster child for corruption."
Join or rally pilots via USHPA forums or Hang Gliding Forum threads on Torrey Pines issues.If you're local, volunteer for park patrols or safety monitoring to document violations.
Escalate if Needed (Advanced Steps)Support legal review: Reference past lawsuits like Schmidt v. Air California Adventure (2020) on liability issues. Consult free legal aid via California Coastal Commission for public access violations.
Push for lease termination:Contact the City's Real Estate Assets Division (619-235-1120) to verify the 1998 lease status and demand RFP for new operators.
These efforts have gained traction—LJSA's support and repeated council testimonies show progress. Start with the petition and a call to Ernie for quick impact. Persistence is key, as the issue has lingered since 1998 but is heating up in 2025...
So I asked Grok, please correct grammar and spelling; some information was not accurate.
Corrected Version of the Grok Response
Here's the full text from "GROK says about the same subject" with spelling, grammar, punctuation, capitalization, formatting, and minor factual inaccuracies fixed for clarity and accuracy (e.g., "Ractivation" → "Reactivation"; "I am on Change.org" → "It is on Change.org"; clarified petition links and signature count based on available data; consistent naming; removed duplicated sections; improved sentence structure while preserving the original meaning and enthusiastic tone). The core information aligns with verified sources: the lease has been in holdover status since 2008 (not formally renewed), advocacy is ongoing, and recent developments include La Jolla Shores Association support in October 2025.
Understanding the IssueThe Torrey Pines Gliderport, a historic public park in La Jolla, San Diego, owned by the City of San Diego, has been leased to Air California Adventure (ACA), a private for-profit operator, since 1998. The original lease was for 10 years (expiring in 2008) but has continued on a month-to-month holdover basis without formal renewal or consistent city revenue sharing. This has allowed ACA to charge access fees (e.g., $10 daily or $200 annually), require liability waivers, insurance, and skill ratings for pilots—practices that critics argue illegally commercialize and restrict free public access to recreational flying under California law.
This has sparked ongoing advocacy, including a 2020 petition updated in August 2025, public testimony to the City Council (e.g., June and November 2025), and recent support from local groups like the La Jolla Shores Association (LJSA) for city evaluation and oversight.
As of November 2025, the lease remains in holdover status, but pressure is building for changes like fee elimination and reactivation of the advisory board.
Steps to Help Stop the Commercialization
You can take actionable steps to support advocates like Ernie Casco and Bob Kuczewski in pushing for free public access. Focus on organized, legal advocacy to build momentum.Sign and Share the Petition Join the "Black's Beach Recreational Scandal" petition demanding an end to fees, reactivation of the Torrey Pines City Park Advisory Board, and implementation of a free recreational waiver. It has hundreds of signatures and continues to grow. Please only sign one of the petitions.
Change.org link:
https://www.change.org/p/to-city-counci ... al-scandalMoveOn.org link:
https://sign.moveon.org/petitions/black ... al-scandal Share on social media, local forums (e.g., Reddit's r/sandiego), or with flying communities like USHPA members.
Contact Key Advocates and Officials Reach out to Ernie Casco, the petition lead and a senior pilot:
erniecasco@gmail.com or (858) 568-1384. He can provide the "San Diego Recreational Waiver" draft and guide your involvement.
Email San Diego City Council members (focus on District 1 rep, as it covers La Jolla) via sandiego.gov/citycouncil. Reference Ernie's recent testimonies (June 12 and Nov 4, 2025) demanding immediate board convening and fee abolition.
Contact the La Jolla Town Council (lajollatowncouncil.org) or LJSA (
ljsa.org@gmail.com) to support their October 2025 letter for evaluation and oversight.
Attend and Speak at Public MeetingsLa Jolla Town Council: 2nd Thursday monthly, 6–7:30 PM at La Jolla Recreation Center (615 Prospect St.) or Zoom (ID: 847 1578 5380). Next: Dec 11, 2025. Submit public comments on gliderport access.
LJSA Meetings: Monthly, often hybrid via Zoom (us02web.zoom.us). They voted 7-0 in October 2025 to back changes—attend to amplify.
City Council Non-Agenda Comment: Tuesdays, 2 PM at City Hall or Zoom. Follow Ernie's model: 2-minute slots for testimony (videos archived on YouTube). Prepare: Emphasize public rights under the California Recreational Use Statute (which protects free access) and the holdover lease's issues.
Build Public Awareness and Coalitions Write letters to the editor for the San Diego Union-Tribune (via their site) or post on local sites like sandiegoreader.com, highlighting ACA's practices. Join or rally pilots via USHPA forums or Hang Gliding Forum threads on Torrey Pines issues. If you're local, volunteer for park patrols or safety monitoring to document concerns.
Escalate if Needed (Advanced Steps) Support legal review: Reference past issues like Schmidt v. Air California Adventure (2020) on liability concerns. Consult free legal aid via the California Coastal Commission for public access violations.
Push for lease termination: Contact the City's Real Estate Assets Division (619-235-1120) to verify the 1998 lease status and demand an RFP for new operators.
These efforts have gained tractionLJSA's support and repeated council testimonies show progress. Start with the petition and a call to Ernie for quick impact. Persistence is key, as the issue has lingered since 1998 but is heating up in 2025.
If you'd like me to help draft an email, find more contacts, or check for updates on the petition/council meetings, just let me know!Draft Letter to Ernie Casco
Draft email to Ernie Casco Subject: Support for Ending Fees & Restoring Free Public Access at Torrey Pines Gliderport
Dear Ernie,
My name is [Your Full Name], and I’m writing to thank you for your tireless advocacy on the Torrey Pines Gliderport issue and to offer my full support for the “Black’s Beach Recreational Scandal” campaign.
I recently learned about the expired 1998 lease, the ongoing holdover status with Air California Adventure, the $10 daily/$200 annual access fees, the required insurance and skill ratings, and the long-dormant Torrey Pines City Park Advisory Board. It’s clear that these practices violate the spirit (and likely the letter) of California’s public-trust laws and the California Recreational Use Statute that guarantee free access to public parks for recreational flying.
I have already:
Signed both the Change.org and MoveOn.org petitions
Shared the links on [mention where you shared, e.g., Reddit r/sandiego, USHPA Facebook groups, my local flying club, etc.]
I would like to do more. Specifically, I’m hoping you can:
Send me the latest version of the “San Diego Recreational Waiver” draft so I can review and help distribute it.
Let me know the next City Council or La Jolla Town Council meeting where public comment on the gliderport will be most effective (I’m planning to attend in person or via Zoom).
Add me to any email list or WhatsApp/Signal group for real-time updates on testimonies, board reactivation efforts, or potential RFP developments.
If there’s anything else I can do—whether it’s writing a letter to the editor, organizing fellow pilots, volunteering for park patrols, or helping document violations—please don’t hesitate to ask. I’m committed to seeing this through until the gliderport is returned to truly free public use.
Thank you again for leading this fight. Your June 12 and November 4, 2025 testimonies were powerful, and the recent 7-0 LJSA vote shows the tide is turning. Let’s keep the pressure on!
Best regards,
[Your Full Name]
[Your Phone Number – optional but helpful]
[Your City, State – e.g., San Diego, CA]
[Your USHPA # or “recreational pilot” if applicable]
P.S. I’ve CC’d myself so I have your reply for quick reference. Looking forward to hearing from you!
Ready-to-copy version (just replace the bracketed sections):
textSubject: Support for Ending Fees & Restoring Free Public Access at Torrey Pines Gliderport
Dear Ernie,
My name is [Your Full Name], and I’m writing to thank you for your tireless advocacy on the Torrey Pines Gliderport issue and to offer my full support for the “Black’s Beach Recreational Scandal” campaign.
I recently learned about the expired 1998 lease, the ongoing holdover status with Air California Adventure, the $10 daily/$200 annual access fees, the required insurance and skill ratings, and the long-dormant Torrey Pines City Park Advisory Board. It’s clear that these practices violate the spirit (and likely the letter) of California’s public-trust laws and the California Recreational Use Statute that guarantee free access to public parks for recreational flying.
I have already:
• Signed both the Change.org and MoveOn.org petitions
• Shared the links on [mention where you shared]
I would like to do more. Specifically, I’m hoping you can:
1. Send me the latest version of the “San Diego Recreational Waiver” draft so I can review and help distribute it.
2. Let me know the next City Council or La Jolla Town Council meeting where public comment on the gliderport will be most effective (I’m planning to attend in person or via Zoom).
3. Add me to any email list or WhatsApp/Signal group for real-time updates.
If there’s anything else I can do—whether it’s writing a letter to the editor, organizing fellow pilots, volunteering for park patrols, or helping document violations—please don’t hesitate to ask. I’m committed to seeing this through until the gliderport is returned to truly free public use.
Thank you again for leading this fight. Your June 12 and November 4, 2025 testimonies were powerful, and the recent 7-0 LJSA vote shows the tide is turning. Let’s keep the pressure on!
Best regards,
[Your Full Name]
[Your Phone Number – optional]
[Your City, State]
[Your USHPA # or “recreational pilot” if applicable]
P.S. I’ve CC’d myself so I have your reply for quick reference. Looking forward to hearing from you!
Send to:
erniecasco@gmail.com(You can also call or text him at (858) 568-1384 if you prefer a quicker reply.)
Let me know if you’d like a shorter version, a version tailored for a non-pilot, or a follow-up template for City Council members!1.2sFast
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