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Re: Two Dead at Torrey - Paragliding Collision (March 9, 201

Postby dhmartens » Mon May 13, 2019 12:07 pm

I saw a rescue video last year or so where SDFD said Torrey rescues had dropped from (estimated)64 down to only 4. So there have been saftey improvements, or they are doing their own rescues.

This has not gone unnoticed by LA rescue at all of the "training" SD rescue gets.
SD rescue has honed their ability to provide fast rescue and transport to minimize injury and now LA is jealous.

SHGA asked to participate in mock hang glider rescue ... f=2&t=5878

Past discussions with L.A. Fire Dept Chief Ward have resulted in their invitation to participate in a training exercise using 2 or 3 hang gliders and hang glider pilots as rescue victims.

This will be a great opportunity for our club to receive great recognition for our contributions to the community.

I'm looking for volunteers for this Saturday, June 9th event, possibly at nearby Hansen Dam Rec Area. I need 2 volunteers for each glider for set up, breakdown, victimhood, and possibly technical advice to the rescuers.

Windsports will provide the busted up gliders and harnesses and helmets if necessary.

A big problem in San Diego is Home price affordability and lack of hang glider storage at the flight park.
Paragliding is the only alternative for renters. ... homes.html
By comparison, millennials can afford just 10% of the homes in Dallas, 13% in Boston and barely 2% in San Diego."

Sylmar offers hang glider storage

Hang glider storage should be written into the RFP.


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Re: Two Dead at Torrey - Paragliding Collision (March 9, 201

Postby Bob Kuczewski » Sat Jun 01, 2019 11:33 am

From the Oz Forum discussion about the recent Torrey paragliding deaths ...
Ben Reese wrote:Yo! Billie,

This thread is about PG accidents at Torrey Pines.
Bille Floyd wrote:Lets review some of the deceased HG pilots , that checked out on the Torry cliffs :

*D Wells -- late 70's dies on an Owl
*AJ Larcon -- died doing acro just south of launch
* That old guy ? died landing on the North face at Torry
* Then there was that HG Comp pilot from Rio (?) ,that met his end 
landing on the torry golf coarse.

That's 4 pilots that i know of ... 

Bille cites 4 hang gliding deaths at Torrey since the 70's. That's less than one per decade. These are the paragliding deaths that I know of at Torrey since just 2012:

     - Pamela Hargett
     - Glenn Johnny Peter Bengtsson
     - Raul Gonzalez Valerio

That's 3 in 7 years. If you extrapolate that to the roughly 50 years that hang gliders have been flying at Torrey you would expect to have had over 21 hang glider deaths in those 50 years. But Bille can only recall 4.

This isn't a scientific review, and there are many other factors to be considered, but on the face of it, these numbers show a paragliding death rate 5 times higher than the hang gliding death rate at the same flying site.
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Two Dead at Torrey - Paragliding Collision (March 9, 2019)

Postby Bob Kuczewski » Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:51 pm

Just published today in the San Diego Reader:

Is self-regulation working at Torrey Pines Gliderport?
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Re: Two Dead at Torrey - Paragliding Collision (March 9, 201

Postby wingspan33 » Sun Jul 21, 2019 9:10 am

To all US Hawks -

I just checked the comments below the Reader story that Bob links to above. Everyone should read the article and the comments. Even post a comment of your own!

BTW - There's not one comment that indicates that Air California Adventure Inc is doing a good job. The exact opposite is the case. I haven't got time now, but I, or someone else, should cut and paste each of the comments into a post to this topic. Well, okay, here's the last one by Logan -

LoganR July 17, 2019 @ 8:10 p.m.

Unfortunately, I think the basic premise of the article comes from deliberate misinformation: “Is self-regulation working at Torrey Pines Gliderport?” The simple fact is that Torrey Pines Glider port is in fact NOT self-regulated. Like many public lands, the regulation authority has been given to private parties to profit at taxpayer expense.

The quote given in the article -

“It’s up to us to self-regulate. As paragliding and hang gliding pilots, we have a
national association, and that is really the governing agency of how we self-regulate.”

The “National Association” which has a unique monopoly on public lands is known as USHPA, or the United States Hanggliding and Paragliding Association”.

The monopoly USHPA holds on most public lands is explicitly prohibited by: 49 U.S. Code § 40103. Sovereignty and use of airspace: SEC.306. In exercising the authority granted in, and discharging the duties imposed by, this Act, the Administrator shall give full consideration to the requirements of national defense, and of commercial and general aviation, and to the public right of freedom of transit through the navigable airspace.

(1) SEC. 308. (a) No Federal funds, other than those expended under this Act, shall be expended . . . . There shall be no exclusive right for the use of any landing area or air navigation facility upon which Federal funds have been expended.

(2) Before the introduction of Paragliders; the association was known as USHGA, or the United States Hang Glider Association .

(3) The idea that this is the governing agency is explicitly prohibited under FAR 103 “The USHGA's self-regulation program lacks the legal authority to enforce requirements to ensure the safety of others. There is no requirement for any hang glider operator to be a member of the USHGA.”

(4) USHPA is quite simply not a “self regulating” body of hang gliding and paragliding plots, they are a private club. The FAA is the regulating body, USHPA takes advantages of unlawful monopolies to extort money using the perception of legitimacy.

(4) ... ublic+land

Forgive me Logan for my edit job. I hope it helps get your EXCELLENT points across.
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Re: Two Dead at Torrey - Paragliding Collision (March 9, 201

Postby JoeF » Sun Jul 21, 2019 10:22 pm

Good suggestion, Scott. Here is what I posted there:

Joe Faust wrote:Have recreational use of the park be fully isolated from commercial interests. Anyone using the implied airspace is to follow posted rules formed NOT to favor commercial interests, but formed to respect flight per FARs. FAR 103. The City for parks is to favor open recreation not private profit.
Instructor queried if as instructor he missed something: "going over in his mind whether or not he missed something." Instructor, you missed fully informing the pilots about the PDMC, I bet; those high aspect ratio collapsible canopies should not even be flown at such proximity to terrain.

In a different article on a different topic, the NYT had a headline that I read; I am not sure why upon reading the headline, my mind went to SD and the ACA. Must be telling of something ... Headline: "Robert Morgenthau, the longtime Manhattan district attorney who was the bane of mobsters, crooked politicians and corporate greed, died at 99.
Sunday, July 21, 2019 11:37 PM EST" Robert? Will a similar headline be for our Robert K. when he is 99?
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