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Kiting Foundations of Kite Hang Gliding

Postby JoeF » Sun May 19, 2013 12:00 pm

Kite hang gliding is a form of kiting in most of its operational sectors. As well, kiting is a foundation for kite hang gliding. This topic thread invites an exploration of kiting with ever an eye to kite hang gliding.
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Year 1828 art depicting boys as resistive set of boomed flexible-sailed kite wing.
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Woman and Man with Boy-and-Girl flight dreaming are shown inventing fully-flexible wing arts in mid 1940s destined to help seed a renaissance in kite systems that would glide as free-flight kite systems with the resistive set being PICs like Sam Keller today.
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Many founders in 1800s totally understood that replacing the hand or earth or rock or running boat or chariot with a hung mass (perhaps human body) and letting such mass drop with the pull of gravaity, then the kite would still fly with a resultant that gained a new name: gliding. Free-flight kiting is what BobK does frequently with his Falcon 3 wing; he attaches his harnessed body via a short kite line and then sets himself to fall through the air towing in free-flight the wing he has tethered; he becomes via the force of gravity the resistive set of the falling kite system; his hang lines are the tether set of the free-flight kite system; his Falcon 3 wing comprises the wing set of the free-flight kite system. Such might give some incentive to explore kiting in general historically and see the taken opportunities to bring on hang gliders and some opportunities that have been little-to-none explored forms of hang gliding. The world of kiting forms a huge opportunity for bringing on forms of hang gliding.

Have fun with this topic :!:

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Letter of May 19, 2013, to Otto Lilienthal hearts wrote: Otto Lilienthal Museum,

With giant respect for your great work on Lilienthal, from time to time, I like to contribute something toward your good works.

Here is my note now:

http://www.lilienthal-museum.de/olma/esoest.htm This article misses Thomas H. Purcell, Jr. and James Hobson and Barry Hill Palmer and Tony Prentice, and so misses ten years in its estimates. The facts are incomplete. It misses the John Worth contributions. It misses the actual sport lecture notes of Rogallo for sport hang gliding. Ten-year adjustment is recommended for the article. The article misses the correct birth of the Otto Lilienthal-based mid-1900s renaissance by ten years. 1960 may be correctly stated as a firm year; a 13-yr old boy looking at gliding history and kites and scouting activities built his hang glider and made an off-earth small liftoff …and that boy continued to advance hang gliding in big ways even up to 2013 introducing scouts and children to the world of hang gliding. John Worth of NASA under direct site [sic, sight] of Francis Rogallo had the extremely simple four-boomed wing carrying payloads using the below-wing A-frame to control the position of kited and gliding payloads of many sizes from scale to huge masses.

== James Hobson broadcasted his 1962 hang glider on national TV and also in Experimental Aircraft Association's Sport Aviation magazine
in 1962. He would have other influence on the growth of hang gliding.

This all would permit your articles to recognize the private-citizen recreational use of the Rogallo-NASA-Ryan-inspired wing and raw-kite wing into recreational hang gliding by about 10 years earlier than the above article permits. We hope that adjustments may be made to more respect Otto's children in Barry Hill Palmer, James Hobson, and 13-yr old Tony Prentice (who still now hang glides at age 66 years); all three were inspired to hang gliding by Otto Lilienthal. Two of them are still with us. James Hobson just passed away on April 26, 2013, and his formal memorial service is on May 23, 2013, at the Forest Lawn Hollywood Hills site; such memorial as you recognize is on Otto Liliethal's birthday. The initial seeds into recreational sport hang gliding occurred starkly with Tony Prentice, Barry Hill Palmer, and James Hobson, at least. Your articles may be improved by recognizing the earlier seeds of activity. It is not factual about the later Australian doings being the initial sees. [sic, seeds]

It has been clear over the years that you have a strong steady enjoyment of continued research; your site and presentation continues to be at very high quality.Thank you for that!

Thank you for your good works,
Joe Faust

I copy to Barry Hill Palmer, Tony Prentice, and hang gliding historian Neil Larson, and US Hawks HGA Bob Kuczewski.
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Re: Kiting Foundations of Kite Hang Gliding

Postby JoeF » Mon May 20, 2013 9:24 am

Typo correction in caption of prior Rogallo family photo (busy crafting one instance of potential millions of instances of their invention) should be "Sam Kellner" with the "n."
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"n" in kiting foundations of kite hang gliding?

:arrow: "n" for "niche" activity in kite hang gliding. Reference: Niche Hang Glider Activity

:arrow: "n" via "N" for Nitsch

:arrow: "n" via "N" for Nicopress tools and parts.

:arrow: "n" for nimbus clouds. Also nimbotratus. Contrast nimbus with cumulus clouds
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Re: Kiting Foundations of Kite Hang Gliding

Postby Rick Masters » Mon Jan 12, 2015 12:51 pm

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Re: Kiting Foundations of Kite Hang Gliding

Postby Rick Masters » Mon Jan 12, 2015 12:59 pm

After half an hour of wasted time trying to get the correct size to display, I am giving up on posting here.
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Re: Kiting Foundations of Kite Hang Gliding

Postby Bill Cummings » Mon Jan 12, 2015 2:52 pm

good point Rick.
Bob how should we go about adjusting the size of an attachment or picture? :?
I usually just go with what I get when I post.
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Re: Kiting Foundations of Kite Hang Gliding

Postby Bob Kuczewski » Mon Jan 12, 2015 6:58 pm

RickMasters wrote:After half an hour of wasted time trying to get the correct size to display, I am giving up on posting here.

Please give me a call at 858-204-7499 if you ever need immediate help on the forum.
I mean that most sincerely.

billcummings wrote:good point Rick.
Bob how should we go about adjusting the size of an attachment or picture? :?
I usually just go with what I get when I post.

I generally recommend that pictures be less than 1200 pixels wide so they fit in the frame of most browsers and generally load faster. I think there might also be a file size limit.

But if there's ever a problem, please give me a phone call (858-204-7499) and I'll do what I can to help. As the admin, I can do lots of things without being asked or bumping into problems that regular members face. That means that I may not be aware of annoying limitations. So if you're having a problem ... please let me know!!!
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Re: Kiting Foundations of Kite Hang Gliding

Postby JoeF » Mon Jan 12, 2015 9:04 pm

Nice find, Rick: Gazette Telegraph item. Thanks, Rick for the clip subscription assumed.
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Re: Kiting Foundations of Kite Hang Gliding

Postby Bob Kuczewski » Tue Jan 13, 2015 12:24 pm

Thanks for finding and posting that Rick!!!

And special thanks to Joe for lending expertise in presentation!!!

I particularly liked the section about Ben Franklin using a kite to tow himself along the water. Given that and the famous "key" experiment, it makes me wonder what other uses of kites Mr. Franklin might have explored. :?:
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Re: Kiting Foundations of Kite Hang Gliding

Postby JoeF » Tue Jan 13, 2015 12:54 pm

BobK,
Design mods to your Falcon 3 for floating safety at sea; mod for towing; design a sea-anchor that you may control the drag and attitude of. Then go fly the oceans under the kite system where a wing above and paravane (water wing) below form a kite system similar to Ben Franklin where his body was the paravane wing that he controlled somewhat. Have some fishing gear and some Vit C pills; have means to stay warm. X-Ocean HG; at times you might let the tether be long to obtain high altitude; release for a free-flight air glide; return to attach to your paravane or maybe de-power the paravane and pull it up to altitude as you glide off as you might in free-flight; when returning to the sea, do some fishing and housekeeping actions; take a nap. Then get busy setting up for another flight and glide. So, move across oceans. Have Internet connections and you may send notes to the forum. See you when you get back.
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Re: Kiting Foundations of Kite Hang Gliding

Postby Bob Kuczewski » Wed Jan 14, 2015 3:10 am

JoeF wrote:See you when you get back.

Are you telling me to ... go fly a kite?

:srofl:

The imagining of kiting / flying / fishing one's way across the ocean sure sounds great. I suspect the reality would be a different matter.

Fortunately, the imagining is free.   ;)
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