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Help Me Create New National Paragliding Org

Postby Free » Sat Aug 18, 2018 3:52 pm

Not to reinvent the wheel.. just replace it.
Not to do it like U$hPa.. do it better.
Truth, education and instruction.
High level instruction after truth and education: PDMC.

Army Ranger para-level instruction.
Limited scope/field of static tow, stable wings.
Hot wings not allowed. No competition.
Competition kills. u$hPa's failure is that it embraces both.
That's where a lot of the money goes @ u$hPa.
No paid flying trips for Jim Zeisit and others.
He was in Brazil on the Member's dime when I drove out to Colorado once
looking for a wing.
H3 at the time and he sold me a big o' pink Axis over the phone for $2,000.
He wanted tax on top of that round figure and I refused to pay it.
JZ was stubborn on the phone, through his green team employee.
I was thinking about the good life JZ was having at my expense and started to walk.
I loved that Axis. I guess I was ready for it but JZ didn't know me.
Don't know who ate the tax.

Ok back on track. No competitions. No paid junkets.
Low prices instruction. Quality static tow instruction. Stable floaters. No hot rods.
Schools sell lots of safe wings for large influx of new pilots happy to just tow in calm conditions... often.
Relaxed flying after work. Who needs mini wings scorching down a rock face, anyway?
Oh yea. People that can join u$hPa, cause that's what THEY do.

Wills Wing might be interested in getting back to PG's if they were only making the stable, safe-r ones.
Should be possible, right? Correct me if I'm wrong..

But USPGA could be USPHA! Ha!
No need to discriminate with a safer wing at a backyard sled ride .
We have big backyards in the midwest.
Also easy access to a central training center for 85% of the country's population.
Basically, a dusted off FREEUSHGA idea I had years ago.

Large, cheap infrastructure. 160 acre ex-municipal airport. Private owned.
And here's the kicker.. its a regional PG jump center.

I had the airport lined up years ago, and a couple instructor's lined up, (HG)
after too hot in Florida. Had a tug to boot. A place to camp.
Monkey wrench somewhere... Blindrodie lies, and the deal fell through.
Like u$hPa, Blindrodie didn't like competition even though he couldn't organize
and run his own stolen flight park worth a crap and opportunity was lost.
I hate to sound bitter. The flying community withered under Blindrodie.
Who even flies in KC area anyway.
From the response on this forum to obvious trolling to find out.. no-one.

Anyway, great location for centralized training. Cheap camping.
Train trainers to web out for other backyard sled-dites

So I bought a static rig in N. Carolina a good while back and never went to get it.
Last I heard, it was still there waiting on me.
Somebody go get it and it could maybe work to start the first training center...
What the u$hPa never did... training..

u$hPa has always been behind when it comes to certification.
All paperwork and no skin in the game to actually make pilots.
It's the instructors..stupid.
Spend the money on instructors and not MGF's favorite insider deal.

Build pilots, not corporations.

Not to interfere with u$hPa's appetite for killing completions and speed screaming mountain scorching.

Just happy, relaxing after work sled rides in my back yard.

I'm in for it if I can corral people better than me to help put it together.
You know who you are.. super hero's ..

Out of time at the lib@rry

Evening sledders X a million
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Re: Help Me Create New National Paragliding Org

Postby Rick Masters » Sun Aug 19, 2018 6:59 am

I think you're on to something, here.
Why should we go to all this trouble to remake our own hang gliding association when all we need to do is invite all these extra paraglider people to leave?
They probably are tired of putting up with all these cranky hang glider types, anyway.
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Re: Help Me Create New National Paragliding Org

Postby JoeF » Sun Aug 19, 2018 7:14 am

United States Paragliding Association

Get them all bunched up. Forget the present "and" that is becoming less meaningful.

Then maybe US Hawks ... focused on recreational hang gliding with full spectrum of awareness.
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Re: Help Me Create New National Paragliding Org

Postby Free » Sun Aug 19, 2018 2:33 pm

Rick Masters wrote:I think you're on to something, here.
Why should we go to all this trouble to remake our own hang gliding association when all we need to do is invite all these extra paraglider people to leave?
They probably are tired of putting up with all these cranky hang glider types, anyway.


They will all leave u$hPa anyway once they understand they don't need MGF's endorsement to fly.
The u$hpa borg corporation relies on churning new "students" for the bulk of their income anyway.
That's why the corporation lawyers defend shoddy training and turning out 'pilots' uninformed and unprepared for things they don't understand.
It's a borg member$hip mill that keeps borg insiders flush with cash for their special interest needs of competitions and comp 'mentoring' and such.

Most PG 'students don't stick with it anyway. It's a big turnover of new students that brings in the cash.
My reading of Logan's problems with two instructors was that they were milking him to pay for their poor lifestyle choices.
May be jumping to conclusions but it what if Logan had .. what say.. Army Ranger Para training, perhaps, and did what turns out to be
slightly undercover reconnaissance on the PG student money mill operating under the badge of MGForg?
Not ready for a P2 or whatever? Really?
$2000.00 wasn't enough for these poorly trained "instructors" to bleed from a combat, Ranger trained veteran?
U$hPa is not what Ben Reese thinks he's defending.
The lawyers and the likes of MGF have run what used to be a real organization into the ground.
Now it's a just a husk of a flying organization that feeds a corporation who's first imperative is to feed the corporation.
Even while it's product literally drops from the sky.
It's what you and others have been saying for some time. I'm just saying it again.
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Re: Help Me Create New National Paragliding Org

Postby Free » Sun Aug 19, 2018 2:45 pm

JoeF wrote:United States Paragliding Association

Get them all bunched up. Forget the present "and" that is becoming less meaningful.

Then maybe US Hawks ... focused on recreational hang gliding with full spectrum of awareness.


I want a chapter named either Proletariat Paragliding or Black Sheep Squadron.
Worked with C.M. Risher for years who learned to fly in the navy under Pappy Boyington.
Flew biplanes that were catapulted off ships under steam pressure.

He screwed his back up getting blown off a ship at Pearl Harbor, so he didn't get the job with the airlines after the war.
I can't remember which ship right now.
Ended up locomotive engineer for 40 some years, working nights, weekends and holidays, in a lot of pain.
God Bless you Charlie..
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Re: Help Me Create New National Paragliding Org

Postby Free » Sun Aug 19, 2018 2:53 pm

http://www.kitestrings.org/viewtopic.ph ... start=1700
Re: instructors and other qualified pilot fiends

Postby Tad Eareckson » 2018/08/14 14:24:01 UTC
http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=35916
I can not keep quiet any longer.
Mark G. Forbes - 2018/08/14 01:33:02 UTC

The fatality and injury statistics do not support a conclusion that paragliding is inherently more dangerous than hang gliding. I'm working on the accident summary compilation that the RRG will be releasing shortly, and the evidence just doesn't support that conclusion. As Paul says above, he's seeing a much larger volume of PG flying. Same thing here in Oregon. The PG club is very active; the HG group, now only a mailing list with no regular in-person meetings, is maybe a tenth of the activity, if that. And that mostly because we have one guy who seems to be able to go out flying almost every day!

The best way to get new HG pilots is to get them interested in the capability of a hang glider once they're flying. To do that we need to knock off the "PDMC" bulls*** and focus on fun and community. We need to be open, receptive and welcoming to all pilots, and not act like a bunch of grumpy old farts. Which, I regret to say, is what a lot of this looks like.


http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=54907
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Mark G. Forbes - 2018/02/01 05:26:59 UTC

I fly my PG in morning and evening air, relatively light winds or at coastal sites with consistent, smooth air. If it's getting thermic, or particularly, thermic with wind, then I don't want to be up there. Mid-day, I pretty much don't fly in summer; I do this for fun, and I prefer the milder morning and evening conditions. Others have a higher tolerance for turbulence and risk, and skills beyond mine.
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Re: Help Me Create New National Paragliding Org

Postby Rick Masters » Sun Aug 19, 2018 6:13 pm

Mark G. Forbes - 2018/08/14 01:33:02 UTC
The fatality and injury statistics do not support a conclusion that paragliding is inherently more dangerous than hang gliding. I'm working on the accident summary compilation that the RRG will be releasing shortly, and the evidence just doesn't support that conclusion.

Looking forward to it.
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Re: Help Me Create New National Paragliding Org

Postby JoeF » Sun Aug 19, 2018 7:55 pm

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Re: Help Me Create New National Paragliding Org

Postby JoeF » Wed Aug 22, 2018 6:21 pm

sg, Jack A. has closed the topic about United States Paragliding Association (USPA) for some odd reason.
My posting had intent of helping sg, Jack A., to have a strong position in the coming era of open recreational hang gliding
when paragliders will unite under USPA

I am asking him directly:
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