In September 2015 Harry started what developed into several post going on into April 2016.
Below are not the entire posts of each contributor but just a memory refresher.
If any of the, Trial Board Members feel that there has been an adequate comment period concerning the, "US Hawks Rating System Proposal," please propose a motion on the, "Board of Directors Private Discussions," thread.
Might I suggest reviewing this thread in its entirety before doing so.
RS's contribution about landing on wheels:
"WHY couldnt the full flare stand up landing be a special skills write off instead of a required basic skill?"
This opens the door to a safer standard for a pilot rating than is currently in effect.
Others have posted ideas that also would raise the bar where safety is concerned.
Safety improvements for the sport of hang gliding will help if litigation and insurance issues arise.
fcolver's idea that would have lawyers defending a pilots rights and not waiving pilots rights has a better sound to it.
The Trial Board Members are only advisory to date but this work can be a way forward for when board members have been elected by the US Hawks Hang Gliding Association membership.
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"Harry
Launch the new rating system.Think of it as an active digital log-book. If I was to get a sign-off on every flight I took/take from now on, does that not carry more weight over a current system of just mailing in a check to maintain a membership card that says nothing about current skills? Would not an active resume of skills outweigh a receipt that you paid your dues? If I had a sign off for every flight I ever took over the past 40 years of flying, it certainly would weigh more than my self-entered log book data that I currently maintain. In my opinion, an active hard copy log book with a digital backup carries more weight and has more value than a membership card (insurance receipt).
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"bobk
Our ratings and our insurance (if we decide we need it) don't have to be identical. We can have ratings that specify pilot ability and ratings that are recognized by an insurance company. You can be rated as a Hawk4 but still not have an "insurance sign off" yet.
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"RickMasters
Harry, your ideas closely reflect mine. I think we need to do away with all the profiteering that has pulled the sport in the wrong direction and get back to the grassroots philosophy. The first thing I would do is offer all H4s in the Hawks the opportunity to quickly become official Observers by passing a written or online test. Do away with official "Instructors" and H5s all together.
Second, to do away (in a big way) with the following liability problems for our young organization, there will be no sanctioned tandem or formal instruction. Anyone taking payment for training does so as a private contractor and is not sanctioned in any way by the Hawks. No one who takes money for training is to be allowed to rate a pilot they trained. No tandem is sanctioned at all. No formal competitions. Let those folks stay in the USHPA and share their increased liability with paragliders.
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"fcolver
We need a group of hang gliding attorneys to form a pro bono organization to handle suits against landowners, at no cost to them. After several lawsuits get thrown out, because of the landowner liability protections, then they could just present some "boiler plate" papers to a judge to get cases thrown out, without a lot of work on the attorney's part.
There could also be some donations to help with the attorney's out of pocket expenses.
Frank C.
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"dhmartens
You are going to need 5 flights each at 5 non-coastal flying sites. I would film each flight with 2 go pro's and provide the gps tracklog (3 second increments) and post to a forum. Outsourcing Indian instructors could rate you and provide your rating using H1-b and L-1 contractors at reduced rates, as a community consensus. You would receive a rating that PASA and the RRG would accept.
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"billcummings
Unless USHPA makes radical changes to the rating system your expired card will still indicate your ability to fly new sites so that the local pilots won't assist you off of a site that will place you in harms way.
DHM, I really like the idea of video evidence and GPS track log verification. How about if the US Hawks set up a rating board (while seated in front of their computers,) to see that the new pilot is completing the recommended tasks to prove up on a rating? With an okay from the board the physical (actual) H4 observer, would then sign the new pilot off. All current SOP's would be checked off for each rating awarded according to the new pilots abilities.
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"reluctantsparrow
In the past, part of the required skills included landing safely within a certain radius of a spot on two feet, which requires that a low altitude aerobatic manuever be performed by total novices. The full flare stand up landing.
WHY couldnt the full flare stand up landing be a special skills write off instead of a required basic skill?---
---My Girlfriend is a non-flyer. She watches hang gliding whack videos with me and is blown away by what to her looks like utter stupidity.....not flying with wheels when there is a perfectly good axle built into the hang glider design.....to her not flying with wheels of skids looks totally stupid and I bet it looks that way to a lot of other people too, including insurance people.....RS
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