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Free Kansas City Tow Rig - String attached

Postby Free » Sat Feb 02, 2019 3:15 pm

Custom engineered static winch in North Carolina. Somebody has to go get it.
Tow the tow rig to Kansas City... and get 25% ownership absolutely free.
Terms to be negotiated. Owner willing to sweeten the deal.

Are there any pilots left in Kansas City?
Feel free to contact Warren Narron, here for details.
This is a time sensitive offer as the rig remains for sale in N. Carolina,
by the good graces of a good man who has stored this devise for many years.

Who wants to do some towing in the Kansas City area?
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Re: Free Kansas City Tow Rig - String attached

Postby Free » Tue Feb 05, 2019 3:43 pm

18 views in 3 days.
There probably aren't any pilots left in KC.
I changed my number years ago so I figured that' kept people from staying in touch after my flight park partners stalled my flying career.
If I start flying again I may be the only one in KC...
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Re: Free Kansas City Tow Rig - String attached

Postby wingspan33 » Wed Feb 06, 2019 7:37 pm

Hey Warren,

Everything can be shipped. It could cost a couple, or few, hundred but if no one is available to deliver it free then shipping could be the only option.

North Carolina is 500-600 miles south of me, but then it is also about the same distance to you from here. Clearly, I gave some thought to going and getting it for you but that's a lot of miles and time. Since I live in central NYS I would figure that you understand the basic idea.

There are companies that will go get the item, pack it up and put it on a truck to be delivered to you.

I would send you $50 to help in the effort. Anybody else interested in helping?
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Re: Free Kansas City Tow Rig - String attached

Postby Free » Thu Feb 07, 2019 6:28 pm

wingspan33 wrote:Hey Warren,

Everything can be shipped. It could cost a couple, or few, hundred but if no one is available to deliver it free then shipping could be the only option.

North Carolina is 500-600 miles south of me, but then it is also about the same distance to you from here. Clearly, I gave some thought to going and getting it for you but that's a lot of miles and time. Since I live in central NYS I would figure that you understand the basic idea.

There are companies that will go get the item, pack it up and put it on a truck to be delivered to you.

I would send you $50 to help in the effort. Anybody else interested in helping?


That's very kind of you Scott, but you are reading too much into my offer. I'm more fishing to see if there is any life left in the Kansas City area for hang gliding.
It's never been a money thing. It's always been just about a 1000 mile, one way, road trip. I had a three day window recently where I seriously thought about making the trip, but I came to my senses and realized that I can't do that crap anymore. It's the main reason I dropped u$hga membership. I hated road trips of 6 to 12 hrs one way to closest place to fly after my flight park partners stole my dragonfly interest. And then Hang 2, "General Manager" James Rupert Gaar, declared that "none of his pilots would ever tow me at his flight park," which was now 2 hrs. away with an hour of it through city traffic.

This is where Mark Forbes, told me to just go fly 6 to 12 hrs. away because he wouldn't interfere in a private business. All I asked was for a phone call to help.
Then, Jim Zeisit, the former President of U$HGA, who almost bankrupted the corporation along with Treasurer Mark Forbes, banned me from the old Utah.ed message board and Mark Forbes, immediately went on that board with a message that he 'knew the inside scoop' and that Jim Gaar had 'bent over backwards'
trying to deal with me. U$HGA LIAR, Mark G. Forbes!

It's good to know that there are decent pilots like yourself, Scott.
It's really good to know great pilots like Pat Hayes, in North Carolina, who supplied free storage of this tow rig for many years after I purchased it.
He finally sold the hangar it was stored in and in desperation of not being able to locate me, put it up for sale at Jack's coffee shop/living room.
I happened to see it a month later and called up to see if it had been sold yet. He said no and I told him who I was. He told me he had prayed that I would contact him. It brings a tear to my eyes today, a month later. Pat has left U$hPa also and now flies sailplanes and aerobatic airplanes.

The rig is still available in N. Carolina @ $1500 less than I gave for it to keep me from making the drive. Otherwise I'll go get it for sure as spring breaks out and I can leave my animals to survive for a few days without me. The wind chill is around zero and below here now.
As I survive another winter there will be a tow rig at my place this summer.
Gotta run for now but thanks again for your generous consideration.
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Re: Free Kansas City Tow Rig - String attached

Postby Bob Kuczewski » Fri Feb 08, 2019 12:10 pm

wingspan33 wrote:Hey I would send you $50 to help in the effort. Anybody else interested in helping?

I'll match Scott's offer to help you get it. Just send me a PM.

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Re: Free Kansas City Tow Rig - String attached

Postby Free » Fri Feb 08, 2019 3:08 pm

Bob Kuczewski wrote:
wingspan33 wrote:Hey I would send you $50 to help in the effort. Anybody else interested in helping?

I'll match Scott's offer to help you get it. Just send me a PM.

Mo Hawks fly again.   :salute: :salute: :salute: :salute: :salute:


I thought I wrote that money was not the issue. I feel that I do owe Pat Hayes, for a lot of rent but he insists that it is not necessary.
My idea so far, is to reimburse with a couple pricey new items I have on hand.
Need to ask if he does fly fishing.

But since cash was being offered, how about adding a few bucks to my earlier idea of a Joe Faust, award?
Don't worry about it being seen as political as that is exactly what you want it to be.
This is still kind of the grassroots effort as you suggested before, that could feed into a larger collective effort of the Hawks organization.
Double good all around.

MoHawks has $300 toward this grass roots effort at this point.
Who else wants to express their gratitude for all that Joe has done for hang gliding since it's American inception?
Ideas for a commemoration plaque or presentation piece?
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Re: Free Kansas City Tow Rig - String attached

Postby Free » Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:31 pm

I thought I wrote that money was not the issue.


Well that is what I wrote but there is a pattern exhibited here that shows some people must not read what I write.
Sometimes they read but ignore or dismiss what I write.
Does anyone remember the time I tried to get Bob to remove anonymous personal attacks on an aspiring pilot named Sara?
He didn't listen. He felt it was more important to allow the anonymous attacks to stand so everyone could see how badly the Hawks organization was
being treated even though it was anonymous attack on one person.

It was a really stupid logic that benefited no one.
Care to ask Sara, what she thought?
Oh, that's right. You can't since she committed suicide soon after.
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Re: Free Kansas City Tow Rig - String attached

Postby Bob Kuczewski » Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:58 am

Here's a bit of wisdom that I've picked up from about a decade of having absolute control over other people's ability to speak on this forum:

      The more that I would like to shut someone up ...
        ... the more I know that it's the wrong thing to do.
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