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Postby JoeF » Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:24 pm

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Re: New member intro

Postby Bob Kuczewski » Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:16 pm

Dshman wrote:Hello,
My name is Darin. I have been flying hang gliders for 27 years, and two place trikes for 18 years as well. I was taught to hg by Wess Roberts. I’m the owner and Flight Instructor for Southern Oregon Hang Gliding. Thank you for accepting me into your forum.
Warm regards Darin.


Welcome aboard Darin!!!!

You've just joined one of the fastest growing national hang gliding associations. In fact, we might be the only national hang gliding association that is actually growing!!! :)
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Re: Hello US Hawks!!

Postby Frank Colver » Fri Apr 13, 2018 8:36 am

WELCOME DARIN :!:

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Re: Hello US Hawks!!

Postby Logan » Sun Jun 24, 2018 9:54 am

Hello all, I've eliminated the USHPA and local club requirements from Utah State Parks including Point of The Mountain (Bob is verifying, as he seems to be in disbelief) and I have started work to remove the USHPA monopoly on NPS land (Slow work thus far). Bob and I are pooling our limited experience and resources to see what we can do about getting non-USHPA flying in the parks; that may be through an FAA glider license, creating a new hawk rating system, or.....? We aren't sure yet. One way that you all can help is to bring your collective voices to the discussion at http://www.nationalparkstraveler.org/20 ... membership

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Re: New member intro

Postby Bob Kuczewski » Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:06 pm

Welcome aboard Logan!!!!

Wow!! You sure hit the ground running ... or sprinting!!

Thanks for that announcement about Utah State Parks not requiring USHPA membership any more. As you said, I am still in disbelief. I'm expecting to wake up any minute now to the disappointment that it was only a dream.

With Mike Jefferson's work at Ed Levin, and the Friends of Dockweiler's work in Los Angeles, and your own work in Utah, the sport of hang gliding is steadily freeing itself from USHPA's monopoly grip. I can't thank you enough.

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By the way, can you give us a little background on yourself and your flying? The U.S. Hawks is a great collection of independent thinkers, and I really enjoy reading about everyone's backgrounds and interests in the sport.

Thanks again.
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Re: Hello US Hawks!!

Postby Rick Masters » Sun Jun 24, 2018 4:27 pm

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U$hPA on the brink. (Unfortunately, no egg was found.)

Welcome, Logan. Great to have you with us!

NATIONAL PARKS TRAVELLER: Submitted by Rick Masters on June 24, 2018 - 5:40pm.
It's a shame that some hang gliding enthusiasts at Funston decided to turn other (qualified) hang gliding enthusiasts away based on some imaginary special privilege or enforcennt authority they think they hold on public land. Fort Funston has been a special case of self-regulation for many years, having recognized the safety conflict in sharing the same narrow lift band with paragliders. By relegating paragliders to a separate nearby area, all have found a a workable solution. This is a good thing and it is in the core interest of Fellow Feathers and the sport of hang gliding not to resort to legal enforcement or banning of fellow hang glider pilots, as this invites a challenge which is very likely to succeed. A government decision, even a statement, to allow non-USHPA members to fly at Funston could be a pyrrhic victory as it might result in the ban on paragliding there being lifted. It would be so much better to agree to disagree, take a deep breath and allow the occasional "rogue" hang glider pilot to fly unmolested than to make Funston "a hill to die on," as they say, by taking a stand on such shakey principles. I had to make this decision myself as the USFS concessionaire of Walt's Point in Owens Valley in the 1980s. Yes, the FAA expects us sportsmen to regulate our sport but we must do it quietly, with peer pressure and not force. Otherwise we risk a brave new world which may not be to anyone's liking.
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Re: Hello US Hawks!!

Postby Logan » Sun Jun 24, 2018 6:27 pm

About me... My introduction to flying was outlined in the traveler page. After I was done with USHPA instruction I met up with Greg Bottelberghe and had the distinct pleasure and honor of flying with him up until his passing earlier this month. I've flown my Falcon, U2, ATOS VQ and VR in Point of the Mountain, Stockton Bar, Jedi, Black Mountain, and Randolph Utah. I intend to fly King mountain in the near future and *EVENTUALLY* Yosemite. I am also working on my FAA Glider License, equal weight going to fighting the USHPA monopoly and enjoying the 5 local Glider Club Airports.
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Re: Hello US Hawks!!

Postby Bob Kuczewski » Sun Jun 24, 2018 9:27 pm

Logan wrote:I met up with Greg Bottelberghe and had the distinct pleasure and honor of flying with him up until his passing earlier this month. I've flown my Falcon, U2, ATOS VQ and VR in Point of the Mountain, Stockton Bar, Jedi, Black Mountain, and Randolph Utah.


I think Greg was interested in getting more involed with the Toole Hawks. They were our second U.S. Hawks Chapter and also became a USHPA Chapter for a while. I've flown with them at Stockton bar and Randolph (aka the Crawfords). They're very good folks. Maybe you could bring a little life back to the club?

I like the Humpty Dumpty picture Rick!! :clap: :clap: :clap:

But I don't think it's USHPA's monopoly that's keeping paragliding out of Funston. In fact, I suspect that as USHPA becomes even more of a paragliding organization, they'll begin trying to take over there as well. It's inevitable.

What has kept paragliding out of Funston is the recognition that the two aircraft use the airspace differently and in an incompatible manner. This is especially true in light ridge lift conditions. Fellow Feathers has made that case, and USHPA has looked the other way. I don't think that will continue forever.

I personally think that opening Funston to an alternate hang gliding association like the U.S. Hawks would help clarify the different needs of the different groups. Unlike USHPA, the U.S. Hawks is dedicated to hang gliding (it's right there in our mission statement). We would continue to work for rules to keep hang gliding from being eclipsed there. USHPA will not.

Here are some links to related discussions on the Funston forum (my user name was "bobk" there):

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