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Re: hang block on WW fusion

Postby Bill Cummings » Tue May 03, 2016 8:55 am

Howie,
I can't find a hang block here. Sorry.
Scott,
The unbent leading edge that I have here looks to me to be the only thing that might work for you.
The nose end doesn't match the print that you attached to the email. If the OD does match, my part may be cut to work.
Compare below the Fusion print for the nose end with the nose end of my pictured part.
Inboard leading edge without a bend..PNG
Inboard leading edge without a bend..PNG (1.11 MiB) Viewed 4161 times

Print looks different at nose end..PNG
Print looks different at nose end..PNG (5.95 KiB) Viewed 4161 times

(Is this for sure - the nose end of the print? After all this I can't even find my zipper.)
If you can make something work from what I have here -- have at it.
two inch O.D. or 51mm.PNG
two inch O.D. or 51mm.PNG (1.13 MiB) Viewed 4151 times

close up. 51mm = 2 inches..PNG
close up. 51mm = 2 inches..PNG (1.2 MiB) Viewed 4151 times

Convert tool.PNG
Convert tool.PNG (9.99 KiB) Viewed 4151 times

Inches to mm.PNG
Inches to mm.PNG (5.83 KiB) Viewed 4149 times
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Re: hang block on WW fusion

Postby wingspan33 » Tue May 03, 2016 4:07 pm

Bill,

Now I'm really confused! Your measuring instrument shows the tube is exactly 2" OD. But if it's the correct OD tubing for my Fusion, it should show just less than 2" - and line up dead on with 50 mm. It should not line up with the 51 mm/2" OD mark. ? ? ?

Are you fairly sure that you have 7075 alloy tubing there? It just might be 6061 (domestic US) dead on 2" OD tubing.

I'm not sure that 2" tubing will fit inside my (55" long) outboard 52 mm sleeve. Now, . . . I just checked the ID of the 52mm outer sleeve (with an accurate caliper) and I get ~ 1/16" shy of 2".

The confusion is still here. :wtf: What I can't figure is, what did the piece of tubing come from? And, how can it be 7075 and not measure 50 mm or 52mm?

Me thinks it's U.S. made 2" OD 6061 alloy.
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Re: hang block on WW fusion

Postby Bill Cummings » Tue May 03, 2016 4:56 pm

wingspan33 wrote:Bill,

Now I'm really confused! Your measuring instrument shows the tube is exactly 2" OD. But if it's the correct OD tubing for my Fusion, it should show just less than 2" - and line up dead on with 50 mm. It should not line up with the 51 mm/2" OD mark. ? ? ?

Are you fairly sure that you have 7075 alloy tubing there? It just might be 6061 (domestic US) dead on 2" OD tubing.

I'm not sure that 2" tubing will fit inside my (55" long) outboard 52 mm sleeve. Now, . . . I just checked the ID of the 52mm outer sleeve (with an accurate caliper) and I get ~ 1/16" shy of 2".

The confusion is still here. :wtf: What I can't figure is, what did the piece of tubing come from? And, how can it be 7075 and not measure 50 mm or 52mm?

Me thinks it's U.S. made 2" OD 6061 alloy.

WS33,
Maybe "THE TUBE," is from Dave's HP2 which would be made in the USA and also be made of 6061 T6.
I measured with the two separate Inside/Outside/Depth Gage's and came up with 2".

Another thought ----- Dave has four leading edges for an HP2. He said that he will be building a lift for a project that he is working on.
Maybe some of the crossbars that he gave me I could give them back for his lift project and he could free up two complete HP2 leading edges.
What I'm getting at would be two complete HP2, 2" (51mm) O.D. leading edges to shorten and put both on your smaller Fusion.
Dave could say, "No," to that plan but only if I ask him. One problem I see with that is -- I don't have sleeve material to fit.
For it to work we would need the 6061 T6 trailing edges and then consider end caps.
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Re: hang block on WW fusion

Postby wingspan33 » Tue May 03, 2016 6:42 pm

Bill,

Thanks much for all the effort you've put into this. Since the Fusion was designed with 7075 tubing, I'll have to stick with that.

If any of your scrap tubing is 7075 and 50 mm OD and roughly 12 feet long (without bends) that could work fine. I think the HP-AT had 7075, the Sport "European" had 7075 and I would expect that nearly all mid 1990s and beyond (mid to upper level) WW gliders had 7075.

If nothing you have fits, I must still say Thank You Very Much! for your time. :thumbup: :clap: :thumbup: :clap:
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Re: hang block on WW fusion

Postby Bob Kuczewski » Wed May 04, 2016 3:38 am

wingspan33 wrote:If nothing you have fits, I must still say Thank You Very Much! for your time. :thumbup: :clap: :thumbup: :clap:


I thank you too Bill!!!!!!!

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Re: hang block on WW fusion

Postby Bill Cummings » Wed May 04, 2016 3:18 pm

Last ditch effort.
As it seems to turn out the previous two trailing edge tubes that I had pictured before and had marked 1-31/32" comes out to 50mm.
Scott, if I understand you your trailing edges are 52mm and the leading edges are 50mm. You need 50mm material for your repair.
I have below two tubes (1st tube and 2nd tube) but here it gets tough -- Keep them straight because I have different pictures of each
of the two 50mm tubes.
Pictures of "Tube One," (1st tube):
1st tube. 50mm X 72 and 9-16th of an inch long..PNG
1st tube. 50mm X 72 and 9-16th of an inch long..PNG (777.26 KiB) Viewed 4123 times

1st tube. 50mm X 72 and 9-16th of an inch long. close up..PNG
1st tube. 50mm X 72 and 9-16th of an inch long. close up..PNG (1.1 MiB) Viewed 4123 times

1st tube 50mm X 72 and 9-16th inch showing tower..PNG
1st tube 50mm X 72 and 9-16th inch showing tower..PNG (650.65 KiB) Viewed 4123 times

1st tube 50mm X 72 and 9-16th inch other end..PNG
1st tube 50mm X 72 and 9-16th inch other end..PNG (479.31 KiB) Viewed 4123 times

Above were all pictures of "Tube One."
Below are all pictures of "Tube Two." (If I keep this straight.)
2nd tube 50mm X 43 inches.PNG
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2nd tube 50mm X 43 inches close up.PNG
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2nd tube 50mm X 43 inches with 3-16th inch hole mid tube.PNG
2nd tube 50mm X 43 inches with 3-16th inch hole mid tube.PNG (583.42 KiB) Viewed 4123 times

2nd tube 50mm X 43 inches other end.PNG
2nd tube 50mm X 43 inches other end.PNG (474.27 KiB) Viewed 4123 times
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Re: hang block on WW fusion

Postby SamKellner » Thu May 05, 2016 7:29 am

There's still some good info coming from the discussion here, but

from Harold's profile:

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Re: hang block on WW fusion

Postby Bob Kuczewski » Thu May 05, 2016 9:47 pm

SamKellner wrote:from Harold's profile:

Last visited: Sun Apr 24.


I do feel badly that we were not able to issue him an H3.    :(

But I think it's more important that we not open ourselves to any criticism of our rating system.

I hope Howie will appreciate that, and I hope he knows that I (and most likely "we") would love to see him get the rating he deserves.
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Re: hang block on WW fusion

Postby wingspan33 » Sat May 07, 2016 7:42 am

billcummings wrote:Last ditch effort.
As it seems to turn out the previous two trailing edge tubes that I had pictured before and had marked 1-31/32" comes out to 50mm.
Scott, if I understand you your trailing edges are 52mm and the leading edges are 50mm. You need 50mm material for your repair.
I have below two tubes (1st tube and 2nd tube) but here it gets tough -- Keep them straight because I have different pictures of each . . .


Once again, thanks for the effort Bill. :thumbup: With the Fusion SP inboard LE, the main tube is 50 mm OD and needs to be at or close to 12 feet in length (or ~144"). The tubing you've got includes outboard LE sections and while they are the right OD, they are far too short.

Looks like it's gonna have to be a new part from WW.
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