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Re: Jack and Davis Splitting the HG Community

Postby Bob Kuczewski » Wed May 29, 2019 11:20 am

wingspan33 wrote:I just had a look at the link to the SG.org thread referred to above.
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So SG comes off as very much two faced.


Two-faced Jack Axaopoulos ("sg"):

Jack Axaopoulos loves USHPA:
Back before the HGAA, Jack tried to sell USHPA on his "Lead Gen" program.

Jack Axaopoulos hates USHPA:
USHPA was wise enough to avoid entering into any dealings with Jack. So Jack went on "the warpath" against USHPA.

Jack Axaopoulos loves the HGAA:
When I first posted to start a new organization (the HGAA) in spring of 2010, Jack jumped on board to poke a finger in USHPA's eye. As Scott said, Scott was unanimously nominated to lead the effort without one voice of protest. It was all started on hanggliding.org.

Jack Axaopoulos hates the HGAA:
But Jack envied the HGAA, and when he realized that he wouldn't have control, he used his power over the forum to kick out anyone opposing him and to eventually kill it. It was dead by the end of 2010.

Jack Axaopoulos loves the Torrey Hawks:
Along the way, Jack joined the Torrey Hawks. I had wisely registered the domain name torreyhawks.org, but Jack offered to set up a forum for the club at his own "torreyhawksforum.org" domain. I unwisely accepted.

Jack Axaopoulos hates the Torrey Hawks:
After Jack took over the HGAA, he also took control of torreyhawksforum.org and banned everyone by locking the entire forum down. Even club officers couldn't post. Jack eventually deleted everyone's posts and used the domain to smear anyone he didn't like. Now you can't even post a link to the original torreyhawks.org anywhere on hanggliding.org. Try it and see what happens.

Jack Axaopoulos loves USHPA (again):
During USHPA's "insurance crisis" Jack put up a big banner pushing for donations to USHPA's RRRG. It was never disclosed what USHPA might have paid or done for that advertisement.

Jack Axaopoulos hates USHPA (again):
Now (May 29, 2019 8:47 am) we have Jack posting:
Nothing has changed for decades. Ushpa has never been a hang gliding org, and never will be, so we can just expect more of the same. The membership apathy is also clear and apparent. Lot's of blame to go around. I sent an email to 5000 people about the issue.... LAST DAY TO VOTE message... only 5% of email receivers even bothered to click on the link, well below the rate of other email sends on different subjects. Either few care, or everyone has simply checked out when it comes to USHPA stuff... or other?

The sport needs entirely new leadership for any chance of a turn around. Ushpa's track record is good evidence they are not the solution, and no one else seem's to be stepping up. I think most pilots rather just go fly. Not a good state of affairs. The sport is committing a slow suicide.


Moral of the story:
Jack Axaopoulos only loves himself.
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Re: Jack and Davis Splitting the HG Community

Postby Bob Kuczewski » Sat Jun 08, 2019 12:54 pm

I'm just posting to draw attention to Scott's previous message. My own previous message focussed on Scott's comment about Jack being "two faced", but that didn't do justice to the full intent of Scott's message:

wingspan33 wrote:I just had a look at the link to the SG.org thread referred to above.

I'll also quote SG -

"The sport needs entirely new leadership for any chance of a turn around. Ushpa's track record
is good evidence they are not the solution, and no one else seem's to be stepping up. I think
most pilots [would] rather just go fly.
"

This was posted today 5/29/2019 !

Jack is blind (probably willfully) because the sport of hang gliding does have "new leadership". If, as an active member of the US Hawks you're reading this, then you are among and part of that new leadership!

I then would agree with SG that the U$hPa is not the solution to reverse the decline of hang gliding.

But SG's comment that "no one else seems to be stepping up" ? Well, SG sure isn't stepping up, that's for sure. If fact, he's done considerable damage to the creation and development of a new hang gliding only National association.

Bob Kuczewski stepped up a year or so before 2010 and began to spearhead the creation of a hang gliding only association right there on sg.org.

As for myself, some of my earliest posts on the OZ Report (back in 2006 or 2007) involved the promotion of starting a new hang gliding only National association. And when the HGAA was imagined (again on sg.org) I was chosen as its Interim Chairman.

So, the new leadership is right here at the US Hawks. We also have some of the old, original USHGA leadership right here as well! :thumbup:

And with the way the US Hawks works, EVERY member has a direct say in our path forward. So individual members can also lead!

I think that most pilots just wanting to go fly is probably correct. So I'd once again have to agree with SG on that point. That's why encouraging pilots who both understand that some leadership is important, and also want to be part of that leadership, is something that needs to be done - and welcomed! That's what the US Hawks is about.

That's what the HGAA was supposed to be about as well until SG intentionally acted to KILL it. So SG comes off as very much two faced.

Finally -
I'd also like to include the U$hPa's financial audit that Mavi Gogun found and put up over on sg.org. I'm bad at financial stuff, but someone here may be able to make more sense of it than I can.


The full intent of Scott's message is that the members of the U.S. Hawks have been - and still are - the best foundation for a new hang gliding association. That explains why the entrenched controllers of the sport (Jack, Davis, and USHPA) fear the U.S. Hawks so much that they have each done their best to discredit and destroy us. Here's how it's currently structured:

  • Jack fears any national association with a forum because it would kill hanggliding.org.
  • Davis also fears any national association with a forum because it would kill ozreport.com.
  • USHPA doesn't want a forum because it would make them accountable to their members who could speak out on the issues.
So they each have an interest in maintaining the status quo. They also each have a strong incentive to keep the U.S. Hawks from growing because we could put them each out of business.

Scott's message reminds everyone that the U.S. Hawks has been the only national association "walking the walk" for fairness in hang gliding for nearly 10 years. Scott's message also reminds everyone that the U.S. Hawks leaders have a long track record of standing up for hang gliding and hang glider pilots. This quote from Scott says it best:

wingspan33 wrote:... the sport of hang gliding does have "new leadership". If, as an active member of the US Hawks you're reading this, then you are among and part of that new leadership!


Thanks Scott!!    :salute:
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